Leonard Haynes III lectures for the 2015 Lena Bailey Lecture Series


>>DR. CHERYL ACHTERBERG: Good afternoon. It’s
my special pleasure to welcome you to the 15th annual Lena C. Bailey lecture on leadership
and I want to thank each and every one of you for attending today and to commemorate
the leadership and the legacy of Dr. Lena Bailey. She served Ohio State for 31 years,
as a faculty and an administrator here. And I just want to begin this talk by saying,
or the introduction, I’m a big fan of the Roman god Janus. Janus is the god of the gates
and doors and has two faces. One face looks to the past, one face looks to the future,
and I think it’s a good marker for this lecture and an appropriate association with
Lena Bailey. Lena Bailey actually began here at Ohio State
as a department chair, in the department of home economics education and she went on then
to become the director of the school of home economics, the acting director and then finally
the first dean of the college of home economics. Lena’s probably best known for leading the
transition of her college, from home economics, to the college of human ecology and that change
is considered essential to the maturation or evolution of the field altogether. Many
people remember Lena as an outstanding educator, teacher, visionary and leader. She was a master
at human relations and always cared most about the individual. Her goal was to bring change
through collaboration and cooperation. The world could use more of her today. In recognition
of her service, Lena was honored with awards from both Ohio State and the American Association
of Family and Consumer Sciences. It’s been our tradition in a Lena Bailey
lecture to invite educational administrators to share their wisdom about leadership with
us. You can see the list of distinguished speakers on the back of your program. This
year, we’re honored to present Dr. Leonard L. Haynes III, senior director of the institutional
services in the office of post secondary education in the U.S. department of education. We’re
especially pleased to have Dr. Haynes here today because he is one of our alumni, having
earned his doctorate in higher education administration from this very college. A native of Boston,
Haynes earned a bachelors degree in history from Southern University and a masters in
American history from Carnegie Mellon University. Dr. Haynes has had a distinguished career
as an educator, administrator and public servant. Dr. Hayne’s career in education has taken
him to a variety of institutions, including an appointment to serve as the acting president
at Grambling State University. And with respect to public service, he was confirmed by the
U.S. senate with the vote of 100 to 0, as the assistant secretary for post secondary
education in the department of education, and I don’t know how many people have ever
had a vote like that, but again, I give you congratulations. He also served as director
of academic programs, for the United States Information Agency, that’s part of the State
Department and more recently as executive director of the White House initiative on
historically black colleges and universities. He remains a public servant, as Senior Director
for the Institutional Service the Office of Post Secondary Education. You know departments
of education have always been very good with long titles. His presentation today, I want to note, however,
does not represent the views of the Department of Education, but his very own. Please give
me a warm welcome for Dr. Haynes.>>DR. LEONARD L. HAYNES III: Thank you very
much, Dean, for that very warm introduction, and let me just say good afternoon to all
of you and say what an honor and delight it is to be at the Ohio State University again. Dr. Bailey, my wife, her field is home economics,
and when I told her I’d be doing this, and who she was, she said, Well that’s a
good thing, that’s a good thing. So Mary is pleased, she’s not with me today but
were doing this. Well let me get a little bit of simple stuff
out of the way, I want to say happy Valentine’s Day to all of you. Those of you who celebrate
it, it is coming, it is this weekend. I want to also say that the Dean is doing an outstanding
job, we hear great things about what’s going on in the College of Education and Human Ecology.
Under his leadership, the college has moved forward, and let’s give the dean a round
of applause. Well I know the University’s still basking
in the glow of the 2015 victory in Jerry’s World last month. Yes, I was there. I flew
from BW, Ohio on a Spirit Airline flight that cost $111 round-trip. My son lives in Dallas,
TX area, so I had to go because is there, we had to go. Well, young people say this
word all the time, but it is true. It was an awesome experience. It really was. I thought I was at a home game here at Ohio,
but I knew things were going to be like that, because when the plane took off and landed
in Dallas, someone at the back of the plane when we got to the Dallas Fort Worth Airport
yelled out, OH! and the plane erupted, I-O! didn’t know who was on the
plane, but I thought I was an alumni trotter and the stewardess said, These must be
Buckeye fans. Well that was true at the game itself. It
was great to see the victory, and I’m just pleased that I was able to be pat of it. By
the way, President Drake, I had a chance to talk to him last night, he knows I’m here the
new president for Ohio State. He has ties to the HBCU community. When he came to the
game in Maryland when Ohio State played Maryland for the first time at home, I had a chance
to talk to him at some length, and he was telling me that his dad played on the championship
football team from Morgan State University, which is in Baltimore, and that’s where
my oldest son works. So I told my oldest son about it, and he dug
into the archives, and he found a picture of the 1934 Morgan State Championship Team
for the conference. And I sent the picture to Dr. Drake, and asked him was his father
in the photo, and he emailed me back, Third row! So I had my son blow the picture up,
and we sent it to President Drake. So if you go to his office, you’ll see it there, because
I had a meeting with Archie Griffin yesterday, and Archie says, you know President Drake
has a picture of his dad in the office, and I said Really, I wonder how he got it.
I told Archie, so you’re the guy who’s responsible for the picture. So anyway, it’s good to know that the president
has a connection to the HBC community. Well February is Black History Month, so it’s
a special privilege to speak to you and a subject that represents the tremendous progress
that’s been made by African Americans since the end of slavery. Time will not permit me
to fully discuss the theme today, but it is important to share several perspectives on
an important sector on American higher Education that often hides in plain sight. And a sector that few Americans know anything
about, and they don’t know about its contributions, they don’t know about it’s potential.
And just a side-note, this month C-Span is doing a series on historical black colleges
and universities, during the month of February. And eight historical black colleges will be
featured, so what I’m saying today, you may be able to get a little deeper insight
into it by watching C-Span as they profile these eight institutions. Well the following name should resonate with
you as I begin to get into the presentation. Known by their illustrious presidents, people
like Benjamin Mayes, who talked about Martin Luther King, Booker T. Washington, who I know
you’ve heard about, these marching bands that are famous throughout the land, including
Grambling, where I used to be acting president, and Florida University, who played Ohio State-attempted
to play, but they got a check two years ago. They were happy to get it. The athletics people like Emile Blunt, Doug
Williams, Bob Butterbean Love, Willis Reed, I could go on about the athletes produced
by black colleges, and of course, Tuskegee University, home of George Washington Carver,
the great peanut man. And also the place where the Tuskegee airmen learned how to fly. America’s historical black colleges and
universities are defined by this: they had to be established before 1964 for the express
purpose of educating African Americans. Today, there are 105. And I’ve given you the list
of those institutions, some of you, you are probably familiar with. Others of you probably
said, I didn’t know that these were HBCU�s.� These institutions now have training, large
numbers of Africans, however, I want to say 3 of the schools now have majority white populations.
And these are Lincoln University in Missouri, which was founded by black veterans of the
Union Army. Bluefield State in West Virginia, and West Virginia State. Both schools in West
Virginia now majority white institutions. Largely to the changing demographics of both
of those states, and same is happening quickly in Kentucky State, which is in Kentucky. The
percentage of black population most days has just below 7%. So the HBCU community, if you
will, located in 19 states, Southern and Border States. Two are in the state of Ohio, the
District of Columbia, and one is in the Caribbean. The University of the Virgin Islands. So all
of these meet the definition that they were founded before 1964. Now as I go on to presentation, I want you
to remember two important points. After the Civil War, emancipation has taken place, the
war is over. But two things did not happen for African Americans in this country. Number
one, there were no reparations. Period. Number two, just as important, there was no reconciliation
commissioned. The former slaves did not get the opportunity to sit across the table from
their slave masters and have a dialogue about how we going to work this out now that we’re
free. That has never happened in this country to
this day. No reparations, and no reconciliation. And the events of the past summer about Ferguson
and the like, you can trace it all the way back to these two points. And so that forms
the backdrop for what I’m going to talk about today as we talk about these HBCU’s. Langston University in Oklahoma was established
before Oklahoma became a state. Oklahoma was a territory, and Langston was to become the
public university for the territory that became a state. It was supposed to have a medical
school, dental school, and just look at their original charter, and you see that’s what
Langston was supposed to be. It has none of those except; I will say this about Langston.
It is now the international center for goat research in the United States. It’s the
international center. One of the questions, I can tell you how that
happened, but a few people know, the goats are world-wide as a food supply source, but
the research done about goats, the lead research institution for goats not Ohio State, it’s
Langston in Oklahoma. The youngest historical black college is Mississippi
Valley State University, which was founded in 1950. I will be there tomorrow, by the
way. I leave out of here at night; I’ve got to go tomorrow, because I’m the convocational
speaker at Valley tomorrow. Howard University in Washington, D.C. is the
only black college that got some semblance of reparations. What do I mean by that? It’s
the only black college that has a permanent line on the Federal Appropriations budget.
It’s line 32. They get over 260 million dollars a year from the United States Government,
it’s just like a service academy. Were it not for the line on the budget, Howard
would not have a medical school, they would not have a dental school, they would not have
engineering, they would not have pharmacy. They would barely be open. My point is going
back to the reparations and reconciliation. You could make an argument that every black
college that’s on that list before you should have a line on the Federal Appropriations
Budget. And even then, it would be not enough. Because Howard University today sees itself
as a limited resource institution. They have an endowment just over 550 million
dollars, tuition and fees about $28,000 a year. A lot of their students are first-time,
first generation going, low-income families, and how it is struggling with a line on the
budget, and with an endowment that’s larger than any other HBCU that’s on that list. North Carolina is home to 11 historical black
colleges, it has the most. There are five public institutions, and six private. Shaw
University in North Carolina is the oldest black college that was founded below the Mason-Dixon
line, founded in 1865. It is often viewed as the mother of a lot of colleges in the
state of North Carolina, including public ones like Fayetteville State University. The types of institutions, public and private,
there are land grant schools, 1890 land grant schools. About 18 of those, including Tuskegee
institution, and they were founded, you know, after the Morrill Act of 1890. The 1862 schools
are like Ohio State. But they’re the 1890 schools. And one thing that never happened
for the 1890 schools, the state matched that�s required by the land grants, the 1890’s
have never gotten their benefit of state matched. So even though they get the federal support,
the state support is still not there. The private schools are connected to religious
institutions. You know, like churches, like African Methodist Episcopal Church, AME, and
that’s Wilberforce in Ohio, and that’s an AME school. And Wilberforce, you’ve probably
heard this in the news, is struggling. I don�t know if they have 200 students at Wilberforce.
And North Central, the accrediting body for this region, sent Wilberforce a Show Cause
letter that they had to respond to by December 1 of last year. Show Cause, meaning, why do they have to remain
open. So they are in negotiations to see if they can stay afloat. But that’s just south
of here. Outside of Dayton Ohio. The institutions are credited by three possible crediting bodies:
North Central, which I mentioned, Middle State, and the Southern Association of Colleges and
Schools, so those are the three possible accreditation bodies for the HBCU’s. As I said before, there are countless distinguished
alums who have made a positive contribution to America and the world from Booker T. Washington,
to Dubois, to Martin Luther King, Senator Ed Brook, Jim Clyburn, and Oprah Winfrey,
as you know. She wanted to get into Fisk University in Nashville, but didn’t have the grades
so she ended up going to Tennessee State, where she became Miss Tennessee State University,
the Homecoming Queen. But Oprah’s contributions to Tennessee State have exceeded that to Fisk.
She’s given Fisk a little bit of money, but she wouldn’t give it all because they
wouldn’t let her in. The HBCU’s have professional schools. I
mentioned that Howard has a medical school. The other medical schools in the HBCU community
are Meharry in Nashville, and the Mulhouse School of Medicine in Atlanta, Georgia. Those
are the three medical schools. The University of the Virgin Islands, you’ll
be pleased to know this, is preparing to launch a medical school for the Caribbean. We just
gave them some authorization, because there is no Caribbean medical school, and the UVI
wants to be the first. So they’ve already got this, and we’ve given them some money
so they can start with the hospitals, and they can have a clinical experience. We have 5 law schools, 9 engineering programs,
2 architecture, pharmacy schools, and then the only med school in HBCU community is Tuskegee.
And they do very well, as a matter of fact; I’m told that if you get a degree in Veterinary
medicine, you’d do better than regular medical doctors. It’s something about working with
animals that’s not threatening, or the insurance liabilities are different. [Laughs.] Many HBCU�s have ROTC programs, which have
been a major source for black officers, for all branches of the military, and the coast
guard. And the defense department has tried to be supportive. In some ways they have,
in other ways, they’ve not really fully supported these ROTC programs. I know when
Colin Powell was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; he pushed real hard to try
to see if he could change that. He was somewhat successful, but he was running against the
views of well are these programs really up to standard with other ROTC programs that
are not headquartered at HBCU’s? And you see this running battle going through
the federal government all the time, about are you really the same standards? Well here
again, go back to my initial point. There were no reparations. There was no reconciliation.
But somehow, these institutions were created, and they done all of this. So you got to have
the question in your mind, what if they had everything they needed to work with? What more could they be doing? They’ve done
this with almost nothing, what if they had something to work with? And that’s what
motivates me to keep fighting on their behalf, because I know if they can get the support,
they can do. The finances of the HBCU’s, as I said, it’s not put at all to be the
Harvard endowment of 36 billion dollars is larger than all of the HBCU endowments combined. The research dollars, and I don’t mean to
pick on Harvard, because some of you may be graduates of Harvard, they received more fellow
research than all the HBCU’s combined. Indeed, the top research universities in America,
only one of them receive more federal Research Dollars than all of the HBCU’s combined.
But think about that. The HBCU’s are training citizens who are taxpayers of the United States
of America. They pay taxes. Federal research should be reflected of that.
It’s the people’s money, is it not? Shouldn�t they have an equal share? An opportunity to
participate with their money? It’s not�nobody�s making up Federal Research money, it’s all
made possible by the citizens of the United States of America. Tuition and fees are modest
for most of the institutions when compared to others. But the costs are rising. When
my oldest son was at Howard, he’s graduated now, but his tuition and fees was $8,000 a
year. My wife and I made a sacrifice because we
figured we could handle that, we didn’t want to borrow any money. Well today the tuition
and fees is well over $27,000. I couldn’t do that. He’d have to borrow money, you
see my point? Tuition and fees arise. The student populations at HBCU’s, largely students
who are eligible and low-income. 60% of the freshman enrolled in HBCU’s today are the
first in their family to go to any college. Now, ladies and gentlemen, this is 2015. I
thought by this time in my career, that it would at least be the second generation going
to college. This is the first to go to any college. They are enrolled in HBC. 6% of freshmen.
And you need to think through what does that really mean? In terms of financing access,
their persistence, and their completion. HBCU’s the last time we did a little study
on this, have an economic impact on the country of an excess of 8 billion dollars. We don’t
often look at them as having an impact on our economy, but indeed, in many communities
where they are located, if these institutions aren’t functioning, those communities are
dead. My case-in-point is Wiley College, in Marshall
Texas. The home of The Great Debaters, remember that movie? With Denzel Washington, distinguished
group that debated Harvard and won, they made a movie out of it and so forth. Well three
years ago, Wiley received a loan from the Federal Government of 28 million dollars. This was the largest Federal infusion in the
Marshall, Texas community in their history. All of a sudden, the president of Marshall
is everybody’s best friend in Marshall, Texas. All of the bankers, all of the insurance
people. And they welcomed Wiley, because Wiley has brought these resources in. Of course,
you know, you do your multiplier effect, it turns over. So my point is, economic impact. The institutions have had a major economic
impact. If Wilberforce closes, R Central State closes, those communities, Xenia and the like,
are going to suffer in ways in which they haven’t even begun to imagine. That’s
the reality of having an institution that has an economic impact. Frank Hale, who is
distinguished Vice Provost for The Office of Art Affairs Ohio State, and many of you
know he was very, very successful in creating a pipeline for black college graduates from
HBCU’s to come to Ohio State to study for advanced degrees. Just as a side not, Ohio State has always
had a positive reputation in the black college community as a place where if you completed
your undergraduate work, you could come here for advanced study at the graduate level,
professional school. And if you did your work, you would complete it, and you could go on
and make a positive contribution. And this university should take credit for that. And
Frank Hale, when he was here, really pushed that really hard, and I have known a number
of people who earned their doctorates here because it was a good place to come. It was
not affirmative action; it was a good place to come. As a matter of fact, when I came here to study
from Illinois, I didn’t even know there was a thing called affirmative action. I read
about it in the paper after I got here, I said, Really? I’m not poor to death!
But it’s because the university had this positive reputation. Well, I’m now into
the part: What has this experience been? As I said, the black cause is responsible for
building the black middle class. Michael Lomax, who leads the United Negro
College Fund, which represents 39 private institutions, said in the recent Washington
Post opinion when commenting on the implications of president Obama’s proposed rating system
for higher education, he said this: Few, if any comparable institutions can match the
HBCU record, for educating low-income students. Those who are eligible and where federal aides
of recipients are high. These are first-generation minority students. The nation’s HBCU’s
make up just 3% of the over 3,800 4-year colleges and universities in America, yet they enroll
over 10% of the African American undergraduates, and still produce over 20% of all African
Americans who earn college degrees. These data make it very clear. If the schools
did not exist today, they would have to be created. Because they are meeting at the needs. HBCU’s are committed to educating those
who view the society from the bottom-up. Where else are they going to get students from?
And ladies and gentlemen, in our society, those who look at us from the bottom-up, there
are a lot of them. And they’re growing. Exponentially. It’s almost scary. As I said,
first generation, 6%. Limited resources, yes, but the graduates
of these institutions are very, very productive. But there are questions now that face all
higher educational institutions, and HBCU’s are no different. What is the comparative
advantage? Why should anyone go to an HBCU today? I say to this to the presidents all
the time of these schools, and I say this, and I say, Look. I can’t answer this
question. You have to answer it. Because it is very difficult to higher institutions anymore
with the power of the Internet and Google. You just go type it in and see what comes
up. And then youve got to make your case on why you have to be thought of as a viable
option to examine as opposed to going somewhere else. Good information. There are legal challenges that are still
faced in HBCU’s, especially those that are located in the southern states, where they
are trying to eliminate the vestiges of the dual system that affects public institutions.
When I was here at Ohio State, researching my dissertation was the effects of desegregation
on public black colleges. And those 19 states south of the Border States, the public black
institutions grew up in a period of segregation. They were never supposed to be treated equally,
and they had to go to court to get a remedy, and they did. The Supreme Court, in the Fordice case, a
few years ago, ruled about the state of Mississippi, that they owed the state institutions that
were black, historically black, equal funding and parody with the other state counterparts.
That was a ruling. And for those of you who want to go back and check that, look at the
opinion of Justice Clarence Thomas, because it was Justice Thomas who said this condition
of inequity has to be eliminated. There should be no reason for a black institution not to
receive the same treatment as a white institution in the same state. You know, Justice Thomas has made things to
many people, but one thing that he did, he is the first Supreme Court Justice to ever
make that statement about black institutions. And the black college community owes him a
debt of gratitude, because no one else has had the courage to say it like that. But still,
states are taking their time to address this. In Louisiana, just recently, the price of
oil, which everyone is happy about, because gasoline is cheaper now, but in Louisiana,
that’s a bad thing. Because oil and gas revenues drive the state’s budget. Every
time it drops a dollar on the barrel in Louisiana, the state loses about 36 million dollars. So the deficit in the state is in excess of
300 million dollars now. And Mr. Jindal, the Governor, and his attempt to close the gap,
he said, Well, we’re going to take it out of education. And one institutions
that he’s, two institutions he’s looking at closely to reduce their budgets significantly Gremling, and Southern. He want’s 25 million dollars out of both of them. If he has to close the
gap by taking 25 million from either one, I can tell you this, the Southern University
campus in New Orleans will be closed. Denying access to the citizens who enrolled
there from the city of New Orleans. They�re still trying to get over Katrina. But that’s
the reality of the budget picture, and how they perceived what it takes to close the
gap. So states are still not being fair. We’ve had, since President Jimmy Carter, an attempt
at the Federal level to address some of these inequities. It was Jimmy Carter’s administration
that came up with the idea of creating a White House initiative for historical black colleges
and universities. It took Mr. Carter to do this. And let me just paraphrase what this
initiative was really all about. It’s an executive order signed by the president
of the United States. It essentially says this. We wan the Federal Government to increase
and expand the participation of the historical black colleges and universities in the programs
of the Federal Government. That’s essentially what the order is all about. Every president
of the United States, since Mr. Carter has re-issued the executive order. They put their
little twist on it, you know, which is they are entitled to do it, but the order is in
place. And there are annual reports that are supposed to be submitted to the White House,
to demonstrate that agency A is doing more than what they did last year, agency B is
doing more that’s required. In the current administration, the numbers
have gone down dramatically. It’s almost a surprise to the black college community.
Why? Because it was the black college community that literally got the president elected.
They created the black middle class. They went door-to-door, campaigned, gave money,
$2, $3, prayed, showed up at the inauguration, over a million people. Yet the money has gone
down in the Federal Government. There�s hardly been any advocacy on his part to push
the black colleges up front. This latest proposal about the community college is intriguing. Now, on the one hand, it’s a good thing
to have free, but as you and I both know, there’s nothing called a free lunch in America.
Somebody’s got to pay. Well, the private black colleges who charge tuition, if students
get access to a free two years, where do you think they’re going to go? Free vs. pay.
It will close probably three-fourths of the black colleges. The unintended consequence of an idea that
seems to be interesting. So there are real challenges. The other challenge, of course,
is working with the K-12 population. Where all students come from. Including those who
come to Ohio State. It is documented that the K-12 system in America is not where it
ought to be. There has been legislation that finally was announced a couple of years ago,
in the first Bush administration, which I thought was intriguing, but it was good. Leave
no child behind. It has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it? After 200-something years as
a nation, who’d thought we could make a statement like that? Well, working that out has been the problem.
And to teach the test to make a good student is not necessarily answered all together.
Too many of our students who finish K-12 are coming with educational deficits that they
can’t do college work when they get to the college campus. For an HBCU that has first-generation
kids for the most part, that’s a drain on a lot of limited resources, because if you’re
a state school, you don’t get funded for remediation. If you’re a private institution, you’ve
got to dip into some reserves if you have those, to come with the programs intervention
strategies that you can employ so that you can help the kids get to the college level.
And often times, as the research people say, it takes a year and a summer, basically, to
close an educational deficit in English and Math, and those are the two areas where there
are most of the problems. So this is a challenge. Institutional effectiveness,
as determined by outcomes. And if you look at graduation rates at HBCU’s, they are
nowhere near where they ought to be. A lot of it has to do with finances, but the other
part is academic readiness issues are still a problem. My point is, they could do so much
more if they had access to the resources to make it happen. The other issue that HBCU’s have to demonstrate,
especially in the state of the Internet and the like. And they’ve not done a good job
with this collectively. It is making the case that their existence actually advances the
common good of the country. Indeed, I have to say this. All institutions have to do this.
Now, why go to anybody’s school? Because you want to produce people who will make a
positive contribution to advance the common good of everybody. And HBCU’s have not done
enough of this, and they need to lift their voices up, because, as I said, if they didn’t
exist, I think they would have to be created. After Ferguson and the Gardner case, there
were demonstrations recently, and I just had reflected on some of that. But there is this
poster that people were running around with. Black Lives Matter. Well, I just said,
it needs a little different poster, Black Colleges Matter.Therefore, collectively
as a society, let’s do what we can to help them survive and thrive. It’s in our collective
interest to want to have more people educated than ignorant. We should be a collective society that places
a high value on the importance of getting a good education. It should be a National
priority, and we’re not there yet. You and I both know too many citizens who feel that
education is not necessarily important in their lives. How do I know this? The music,
the entertainment industry, the news of the day, or even one of our revered anchor people
has become an infomercial of entertainment. Reading the news for 10 million dollars a
year. I know I said, when it happens, I said I can’t
watch this anymore. He’s a liar. But many Americans accept the lie as a part of the
culture. That’s part of the ignorance factor that we’ve got to stamp out. Our National
Security is not really threatened by people like ISIS. No, I don’t think so. National
Security is threatened by people who are not educated. Citizens who don’t know and now
we have the phenomena citizens who do not want to know. There are too many of them walking the earth
now, and it’s scary to me. I ride public transportation in Washington. Everyday. I
could drive, and get a parking space, and all of that, but I�m just amazed at what
the citizens on the train talk about on my 45-minute ride. Especially the young people.
Their language pattern and things of interest that concern them are not things that are
important to eliminating ignorance in this country. If anything, their language pattern was interesting
to them is extoling the virtues of being ignorant. Often times, I want o jump out of my seat
and say, I am Doctor Haynes. I do so and so and so and so. You can’t talk like that.�
But I don’t do it because in an urban environment, you never know what these people have on them,
because they will use it. Now, if we have to grow up in a country where
you are afraid of your own people, and my mother used to say, The game is over.
And that’s where we are. The educated class trying to interact with those who are not
educated. The black college has been like the little Dutch boy with the thumb in the
dike. They’ve held back a lot of ignorance in this country. And they could do a better
job if they got the support they need. So I want all of you to remember two things.
Not that we have to address the first, but the concept of reparations is something you
really can’t walk away from. The newly free black person literally had to fend for themselves
in this country to make themselves into citizens without necessarily the help of anybody. They
did it through segregation, racism, ignorance, neglect, and indifference. And created a set
of colleges that’s purpose was to help smooth the transition of the graduates into a productive
citizen of this society. Even though the society was not reciprocal. What are we going to do with a college degree
was the issue growing up in my community. And my response was, to be better than what
you are. To be human. To understand people. So these institutions have been critical in
addressing these issues. And now they are on a precipice in the year 2015. Certain conditions
are now on the table that threatens their very existence. And my question to you is,
if they are not here, then what? Then what? As a society, can we live with their absence?
Then what will we do, because I can tell you, they haven’t stopped having any children.
They’re growing up in our society. And they need our collective help to get the best access
to education they can get so they can make a contribution. And I think all of our America’s
higher education institutions, no matter who they are, have a responsibility to improve
the communities where they are located, and to make our country a better place. But that
can be stopped, and we have some burning questions on an issue that you think I didn’t enlighten
you on, I’d be happy to do those. Thank you. [Applause.] Don’t be shy. If I don’t know, I will
say that too.>>AUDIENCE MEMBER: Than you for your talk
this afternoon. My question is, you told us that the current president has allocated the
least amount, historically to the HBCU’s. Have you had an opportunity to share with
him your feelings on the trend, or your concerns about it? Are you our best advocate for that
conversation?>>DR. LEONARD L. HAYNES III: Let me say this.
The president is surrounded by advisors who you’ve seen their names in print. Many of
them are connected to Ivy League institutions. And their view of the world is different from
mine. I’ll go back to the stimulus, for example. That happened right after the financial
collapse. Remember to try to correct things, stimulus, money was given, just get it out
there, Ohio had growth projects. My proposal then, and he had just gotten into office.
I met one of his aides. And I said, listen. The President should put one billion dollars
in the hands of the black colleges. This would be an important statement for him
to make, and politically, it’s not going to hurt him in any way. These institutions
support him 150%, you can just document this so it’s a win for him, and its a win
for the colleges. His aide said to me, good idea. I’m going to get back to you. I never
heard another word. And I know a lot of entities that receive substantial amounts of money.
And you still going to know in some cases, where did that money actually go? And I even
said, when I made the proposal, you can make it a competition, you can build in all kinds
of accountability measures, I mean, it’s not just a giveaway, but a billion dollars.
What a statement this could make to the country about the value of these institutions in our
time, coming from quote-unquote Their President.>>AUDIENCE MEMBER: Good afternoon.>>DR. LEONARD L. HAYNES III: Yes.>>AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi, I’m Steve Saldune;
I’m writing a dissertation on a description on the state of web-based course curriculum
at HBCU’s. And one of the questions that I have to answer about within that dissertation
is why do HBCU college presidents care about having the ability to have web-based courses,
it’s be helping.>>DR. LEONARD L. HAYNES III: Well, in terms
of leadership, Presidential leadership of these institutions, I’ll say this. We have,
as in any other sector, you’ve got enlightened leaders, who could understand the concept,
and would run with it. Then you have those who are not enlightened, who see everything
in terms of their own personal situation. What do they have to do to make their governing
boards happy with them? Which goes back to the Governor’s structure of HBCU’s. A
lot of the problems that you see happening would not happen if the boards of trustees,
the boards that pick the leaders are enlightened to understand that we’ve got to turn the
page into the 21st Century, we’ve got to be competitive, we’ve got to ask the question
I asked earlier: Why should anybody want to come to our school? We’ve got to have the counter-offers, by
the way no student, in my judgment should enroll in anybody’s college or university
because it has a great football team. I’m just saying it. They should come for an academic
program of purpose. And that’s true with HBCU’s too. You don’t come because your
friend from High School is going, I want to be with him and do our thing there together,
no, you want to come for the academic program. Just a side note on this, there was two
students were killed at Wiley College off campus, the Marshall, Texas School, and it
was at an off-campus party. So sad, so anyway, so the President had to have a conversation
with all of its students, it’s a little private school, about 1,000 students. And
he told me this, he said, I had them all in, because, you know, we’re grief counseling,
he said. But this is what I said to that. And I thought this was very instructive. We
have admitted you; he’s talking to the students, because we think that you can make a difference.
But yet some of you go back to your communities, and people that you’ve left tell you, you
haven’t changed a bit. And that’s the problem. There should be a value added of
coming to our campus that makes a difference in your life. Even if you stay a week, you
should be different, not the same from where you left. This is my point, so it goes back to how the
leaders see their leadership using different modalities, delivering instruction, it’s
got to be on the table. I’m not a big fan of mooks, you know, you’ve heard about the
books and so forth online, and I think that HBCU’s the personal, face-to-face contact
probably has greater impact on a student who is first-generation, than doing it online.
They need direction. They need what I call the five F’s in life. Focus, Finish, Follow-up,
Follow-through, and Faith to do them. And you can only do that face-to-face, because
the hardest thing for most people to do is focus. But if they can focus, just like you,
working on your dissertation, you can finish. And then you can follow-up on your finish,
follow through.>>AUDIENCE MEMBER: Thank you very much for
your presentation, I greatly appreciate that. You made a reference to our president’s
proposal on community colleges. As a proud graduate of 4-year college, and as a trustee
in Oklahoma, what advice would you give those of us who are both trustees, how would you
respond to that proposal now, more importantly, in case it passes, are we and the black colleges
responsible?>>DR. LEONARD L. HAYNES III: Very good question.
And this would be true for non-HBCU institutions as well. It is no secret that most of the
students enrolled in college today in America are enrolled in community colleges, 2-yesr
institutions. So that’s access. They have that. But if you’re a 4-year institution,
and you have community colleges near you, adjacent in your community, one thing you
want to make sure is you have a good relationship with them, and that you develop what I call
meaningful articulation agreements that don’t stress you out if you take so many in. I just
use this example. A lot of community colleges have transfer
programs in the field of nursing, okay? So they do 2 years, and then they want to transfer
to a 4-year nursing program so they can get their degree in nursing. Some institutions
are equipped to take transfers like that, who have nursing programs. But others have
standards, where they don’t often take the credits that come in. So you’ve got to work
out a situation where credit transfer is acceptable, and as you know, even today, the University
of California system out in California, students in the UC system can’t always transfer their
credits to other campuses in the UC system. Credit-transfer is an issue. So that’s got
to be something you’ve got to think through, and challenge the college leadership. Have
you worked out a system that if you get 500 students just throwing this out there, what
would we do? What would the faculty look like? You’ve got to do some modeling and testing,
and I think this is the time to do it, because nothing’s going to happen right away, but
you’re absolutely correct, you’ve got to anticipate the possibilities, and that’s
why boards hire presidents. Because they should have the ability to tell the board, I’m
anticipating a possibility. That’s what you hired me for. I’m going to give you
my best thoughts, if you don’t believe me, get somebody else.>>AUDIENCE MEMBER: Good afternoon, thank you
for being here. We awoke this morning to the news about South Carolina State University,
so I would love to hear your insight and thoughts about this notion of schools merging, and
acquiring one another. Do we have too many HBCU’s within a 50-mile radius of each other?
And what that means? And then, for those of us who have made a commitment to higher education
and this world, what does the next generation of leadership at HBCU’s look like? Because
we could also argue that there still seems to be an old guard in place and a back-log
of new, and perhaps fresh leadership willing to take on that challenge and endeavor, but
the opportunities are minimal.>>DR. LEONARD L. HAYNES III: Well, the first
part of your question, South Carolina, yes, the news of today, how sub-committee of the
South Carolina legislature voted to the sub-committee now, not the full house, to suspend the operation
of South Carolina State for one year. In other words, no school. Now, South Carolina State
is the only public black institution in the entire state of South Carolina. There is no
other competition. They have private schools in South Carolina, but it’s the only public
place. South Carolina State has had its challenges,
it had the I think 16 million dollars from the legislature to stay open. They had some
mismanagement issues. I think it would be a mistake for the state of South Carolina
to close South Carolina State for one year. It’s got to be another way to work on this.
Mr. Clyburn, who is the minority leader. He’s a graduate of South Carolina State, Jim Clyburn.
And I sent a text message yesterday to ask what does he say about this? Because I know
he’s very concerned, I know he gave South Carolina State 2 million dollars of his own
money last year; he’s very committed to it. I know his voice will be heard. But I don’t think closing an institution
makes any sense, especially if they are trying to get it right. I’ve talked to the President
of South Carolina State, we have long talks about his challenges, and I think we owe him
an opportunity to get it right. It’s the governing structure that has hurt South Carolina
State. Political appointees who are doing political things in an educational setting.
That’s what happens in a public university government instruction too many times in black
schools. Governors make the appointments, its patronage. They don’t have to raise
any money, they just want football tickets, and 10% of this contract, 15% of that, it’s
just too much of that goes on. I see this, and they pick the leaders. They make sure
they follow the rules. You want the job, this is what we operate. So we need a cleansing, our government. I
hate using this term, a Come-to-Jesus dialogue. That’s what’s needed. Now, on
the other part of the equation, you’re right. Leadership is transforming now because you
can’t stop the clock, we’re all getting older. I don’t have 40 more years to go.
I know that, I’d love to, but it’s not going to happen. And that’s true with everybody
else. And you think you can stop the clock, just wake up tomorrow morning, but you got
to be realistic about what’s the future for the institution before you. And this is where there have been some real
issues with leaders not doing that. They put themselves first, as opposed to the institution.
I get nervous whenever I’m around them, and they start talking about he did this,
I did that. And if I don’t hear the word institution, I’ll ask the question. Well
what about the institution? And if there is silence, then I know the direction is not
fair. But we got to have a group of people who are aspiring the leadership positions
to consider an option of coming into the HBCU setting to make a possible contribution. And
by doing this, by respecting what the history of the institution has been about, and remember.
History does not begin when you show up. You make a fatal error if you ignore this and
you say, there was no past until I came. No, you got to appreciate what was in the past,
take the best out of it, you know, and blow that up, and move it forward. That’s how
you make it happen.

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