Live Chat With Education USA, Nov 7, 2013



hello everyone and welcome to the Hangout my name is Molly Nielsen and I'm the national editor of Education times which is the weekly Education broadsheet of The Times of India and today we have with us is Shah Jahan she is the regional educational advising coordinator with education USA and Rana fir Raja Rao who's the country coordinator at USC advising services at the Yousuf and they will be answering questions on studying in the US so I'm going to ask first a few FAQ which is the frequently asked questions about studying in the US and then I will move to the students and they can ask their questions welcome to the Hangout is short and Renuka I think one of the main questions which as the education editor which I come across a lot is the timeline I think it's very important when you applying to colleges overseas so what would you advise when is the right time to begin keeping in mind scholarship deadlines and the visa process first Molony thank you so much for having us here we're absolutely thrilled to be talking to you and all to all the students out there and before we answer your question I just would like to say a few things about what education USA is US schools as I'm sure all the students there that are applying or interested in plying do you know that US schools welcome international students and they have a variety of programs that every student can look for and can fit their needs Indian students happen to be the second largest population of students that come into the u.s. so we absolutely welcome Indian students into our campuses US schools have different types of fields different price ranges so there are different types of ways to find the right institution for any student education USA is a state department supported program that helps international students get accurate comprehensive and current information about u.s. admissions policies and application so if a student is interested in studying in the u.s. if you come to an education USA center and come and join one of the free group sessions you can get all the information you need for what is the entire process the types of details how to make an application strong what are the documents you need what is the timeline all these questions will be answered when you come and sit with an education USA session and that can be at a center or it can be even live through our various webinars and India education USA is with several different organizations usually education USA can be with within an embassy it can be within a consulate or it can be in by national centers or NGOs in India specifically we have education USA with the u.s. United States India Educational Foundation the use of centers across Delhi Mumbai Kolkata Chennai and the newly opened Hyderabad Center coming up soon and we also have two NGOs in Bangalore and Ahmedabad in Bangalore we have yashna trust that has an education USA Center and Ahmedabad we have IAE s into American education society that also has education center there so altogether in India we have about 20 or so advisers to help Indian students get through the u.s. admissions process so we're happy to be here and help answer all these questions and I'll turn over the time line question to screen over here so she is one of our most senior advisors within our network in India Molly I think you highlighted a really important aspect of applying overseas and that is that the timelines that students need to follow are different than the timelines that you would follow if you were applying in India and I find that many students wake up too late and think of applying when many of the deadlines are gone it's important to remember that there are different components to the applications to US universities and hence students need to time to draw up a proper timeline and to stick with it the earlier the better and our advice to students is to start at least 12 to 18 months in advance of when they wish to start the program so if a student wishes to go next year in the fall for instance they should already be in the process of planning to apply to the US do you have any more you know that's fine I think that answers the question next question another very frequently asked question is I think the confusion about how do they decide do they go by the course or they go by the college and I think one of the students also had a similar questions and so how do they decide any suggestions well first of all the US universities would like for students to find the right fit and the education USA helps students find the right fit so it's important for a student to understand what their need is what would they like to study and find a program within a university that can offer those subjects that offer that course that course of study US universities can be private can be public can be research funded can be small can be large so it's up to the student to figure out where can they fit well even among what would they like to do with that course what would they like to do with their graduation after their graduation are they going to go into academics doing research or would they be liking to go out there and get a job so they actually have to find out and research a little bit about which colleges and which courses will actually fit and well together so to look at the programs the departments they all should be part of components for doing research good do you have anything to add to that I would just add one little thing and that is that when it comes to Graduate Studies it's probably the program that is the most important thing that is central and really critical to their studies and to their choice of universities at the undergrad level you know many students go undecided for instance so at that point you may want to look more closely at the at the kind of university or colleges that you're applying to you may have friends and relatives you may look at the geography of the United States and which which makes the most sense for you you can look at costs and so many other factors and I'd like to add also sometimes you know we keep thinking about what's the best college for me and because we keep thinking about all the brand names you know that's really you know we want to save do you want to go to Harvard do you want to go to MIT that might not be the best fit for every student you know not everyone is going to be successful at Harvard or even get there and get themselves the education that they need so it's really about looking outside of that box the stepping outside of the known Ivy League's and looking at different universities that have great programs and they'll be just as competitive in the market because they're offering maybe smaller classrooms a better price range because it's a better fit for that student and it can be suppose a university in Wisconsin or University in Nevada which doesn't have the name but we had equally offer a very good programs for that particular subject of course so it's very important for students to realize it's the right fit it's very important I mean that takes me to the next question I think you've already both mentioned a bit about the kind of variety that is offered in the United States and I think a lot of students are not aware of it and what is the difference between the community colleges the liberal art colleges the state universities or the big research intensive universities so would you like to elaborate on that sure why don't I have any to start off with that's and she answers this question quite often that's Maiden's yes I think that the most confusion happens in two major categories and that is community colleges and liberal arts colleges community colleges are typically colleges that cater to the local communities in certain in practically every every state in every community in the US and they offer two-year programs now these two-year programs are different than the vocational programs in India and I'd like to highlight this because I'm addressing an Indian audience and so you could end with you know you could have a terminal program at a at a community college or you could use the credits earned at the Community College to continue your education and go to a proper to a full four-year program so the credits that you earn at the Community College would transfer into the four-year program and you complete the rest of your education in just two years so that's what community colleges are they typically enroll tens of thousands of students in some cases that fee structure is a little lower so the tuition fee is typically much lower up to even a half of what the universities charge but you know they they offer excellent value for money the other thing that I would like to touch upon is the liberal arts colleges and here I would like to emphasize that it's Liberal Arts and Sciences that you can get a science education as well as you can get a degree in political science or history or any of the humanities liberal arts colleges are typically for institutions that offer studies in under in a wide variety of subjects some of the liberal arts colleges have two three four three two programs where you can do three years at the liberal arts college two years at a collaborating university and get a degree in engineering or many other subjects as well liberal arts colleges are well known and much-sought-after extremely prestigious and the big difference that many students have come back and told me about is that in a big university or often taught by my teaching assistants or graduate assistants or some of the labs are supervised by assistants whereas at a liberal arts colleges you're almost invariably taught by full professors who have PhDs so the quality of a liberal arts college is is a really superior and of course our public universities and private universities as the name suggests they are supported by the state the state schools and private universities also receive a lot of funding especially for research from government from defense and so on and so forth I just wanna add that the u.s. education system is a very open system we want to be able to accommodate every need accommodate every interest and we want to share that education system with our international students and to get the experience that an American student would get from that system so it's really about finding where would it be the most value for my education right what would I get out of it what do I want to do the u.s. students you know when they come out they're very enterpreneur intrapreneur all and they want to have we're looking to build into proneural skills within the global context for the 21st century so when students look at universities and all these options are available community colleges liberal arts research oriented fields it's really about finding again the best fit where is this where am I going to get the best value versus the first education and what can I get as far as experience you want to connect with a large group of international students you want to be able to connect and get some work experience internships so you want to find a program that allows you to do that community colleges have great programs with four-year colleges a lot of community colleges are partnering with four-year colleges as well so when students do their research it's a great value for families if they start their education at a community college finish their required courses in two years and then move into a four-year college or even ish to complete their four-year degree so there's a lot of flexibility which is building absolutely absolutely now I'm gonna take questions from students so on your breath would you like to ask us you can you introduce yourself and then ask a question freeze hi my name's Anne I'm studying in the drug trade I'm currently studying science with economics I had a question about the college system you mentioned because in India the leaving school the passing of course basically depends on the end of your exam and that's how you pass the course but in the United States it depends on the credits so if we just go ahead and explain a little bit about the credit system and how that works Renuka yes you know it's although it sounds different it's actually pretty much similar to what happens in India so for instance if you were on average to go to a college to do a four-year program it would involve four typically four years of study about 120 credits which you need to earn over four years so every year you would probably earn about 30 credits 15 credits per semester would would constitute a full workflow or full course load and these credits are you know if you were doing a let's say a three credit program you would be attending class the three hours a week and it would it would mean that there's a lot of homework as well so it's not only the three hours and so and so on you know so you were saying that you were interested in economics so if you were to graduate in economics for instance you would probably take you know credits in in many different subjects but they would all have to add up to a certain number in order for you to graduate does that answer your question or did you have any supplemental questions and over it I'm I had one apart from this even though thank you so much for answering this question one was about the co-op program because I'm a practical universities which offered I will for one or a 500 program and I had no idea what program actually will so if you could go ahead and you know expect what that stands for yeah a co-op program is one of the one of the highlights of many of the US universities and how it works is that you have actual work experience that's built into your course curriculum so typically you would do maybe three semesters of work of coursework which means that you attend classes and so on and then one semester you actually are working you know full-time at a company or at a partnering institution at a partnering company that has some kind of an understanding with your university you actually earn money to full-time and it has a two pronged benefit one is that you get very valuable work experience and the second is that you also earn some money and so it makes your your transition into CPT and so on much easier CPT as well as opt much easier later so the co-op program is meant to give to give you both the theoretical framework as well as the practical experience that will make you and absolutely stand it can make you stand out in the when you finally go to the workplace thank you so much Renuka you mentioned CPT and opt can you just elaborate on that for the students for this time for and what it means yes that again is one of the very attractive features of the u.s. education system and this is that CPT which is curricular practical training is practical that students can pursue while they are doing their studies so see CPT is while they are still studying so they could do it in the summer time for instance let's take an example let's say under breath enrolls in a bachelors programming in economics and he has an opportunity to work at he has an internship at a bank at the local bank in the summer so he could do a three-month or typically it's about two and a half months so about ten weeks or eight to ten weeks of a CPT through the summer of between his freshman year and his junior year you can do another CPT between his junior year and the senior year and so that's what CPT is it's limited to 12 months and students could get paid full-time during CPT opt is after students complete graduation they are allowed to work for up to 12 months it can be extended by another 17 months so in order to be twenty nine months for students in the STEM fields that is science technology engineering and math but one really important feature of both CPT and opt is that it should be directly related to the students course of study so you cannot be lets say an economics major and go out and work in the local Kmart or at a petrol at a gas station or whatever it has to be directly related to your course of study it and the company that you're working for has to be a verified I just want to add in this video and the other CPT so no PT's are a great way for students to get that experience the full-fledged rounded experience one of the great things about a US education and we can kind of tout that this is something we kind of are great for is students getting a real-life experience we are not just having theoretical books and things to study in classrooms are but they're getting to interact with professors and they're going to connect with industries around where they're having their education and academics to get an opportunity to go out in the real world and apply those learning skills so that creates a well-rounded student as well that's what it's for in the 21st century it's all about applied knowledge and applied research and education is becoming synonymous with employability so I think it's very important they do get that kind of work experience while they're in the u.s. I told what about you you had a few questions oh yeah hi I'm Matt oh and from an assignee I'm planning to apply for a PhD and computer science I have a question regarding funding procedures I would like to ask that if I if I am not funded by the institution like in the form of arrays the TAS what other other options that a student can aim for the funding procedure okay Renuka would it try to take that yeah sure well you're not allowed to work full time until you have completed one year of study in the u.s. one academic year so the our advice to you would be that make sure that you have enough funding for your first year of study that is absolutely necessary once you've gone to the US you could explore other opportunities like on-campus work students are allowed to work for up to 20 hours a week on campus but you know at the grad level you really should be shooting for the assistantships and so on because a part-time work you know typically gives you only hourly wages which could range between seven to ten dollars an hour the other options are that you know from India the banks are very willing to give education loans and you and they have a repayment holiday and so on so it should be possible for you to get a loan from India itself there are a few private funding opportunities in India the Tata scholarships are well known they offer a variety of scholarships ranging from just that just a ticket right up to a little more than that there are some others too you can come to our Center and find out more if you if you are interested hyah – oh that's a great question that you asked because I think many international students struggle with that question and one thing that I think education USA also tries to impart on students having a plan before you even start applying try and figure out how much is what can you afford what is your budget what can you family contribute you should have at least the first year figured out and then a plan for the next few years of your studies and when you're making your selections for universities to find that right fit to have that range of institutions where you are looking at institutions where you're shooting for the stars to dream institutions you have the matching where you know that you're qualified for those Ras or assistantships and some of the scholarships and love them some safeties where you know that if you didn't even get any of that you can still afford it your family can still afford it it can still go there they get the valuable education that you need so having that planning the organization and research ahead of time kind of saves some headache when you have to make those final decisions so plan ahead be well organized and research and try and find the best fit even before you get to sending out those applications do you have any more questions I'd like to just add to that and that is to keep an open mind at all you know I had this student very recently that went to the US without funding to begin with and at the end of the first year he looked around and found that the local psychology department was migrating to a new system you know new new computer system a new software and they didn't quite know how to you know do that migration effectively they needed someone that came and regularly and help them to maintain their data bases and all of that so you might find work outside of your own department outside of let's say you're going for engineering it might be in a completely different school so keep your mind open to working with different kinds and you know it might actually help you because you'll get an interdisciplinary background to your work so keep your minds open that was very useful when you come we had another question yeah the other question is about the recipes how specific how specialized and how specialized should the SOP be I mean I'm applying for a PhD so I'll be writing about the open research for my I would like to work on and the professor's I would like to work on so how specific should the material we do a single professor because if he's not taking students for that that session my application might get rejected or in other case if I write a to half of generic SOP he might not even consider my application so how to balance these body's aspects you know when you're applying for a PhD you are applying to a department rather than to a particular professor so your application should include two or three possible guides for your PhD and later when you're applying for to be part of a research group that's when you would actually address a particular professor and ask if you could and you know explain that you make a good match with that with the research that the professor is doing and hence you'd like to be considered to be part of the group I would also like to emphasize that you know don't don't write to the professor and say hey please fund me for my education instead the protocol is that you write to the professor explain your area of interest and how it makes a good match with the research that the professor is doing visit there's a lot of hard work in this I mean you need to research a great deal you'll have to burn the midnight oil a great deal I'd say especially with the winter coming on now and it's going to be a lot of hard work but you have to craft your your applications really well so in your in your main application for the PhD to the University and to the department you would just highlight two or three areas of possible specialization and possible research and two or three professors that you might want to work with I'll just add on to something that Renuka touched upon it is communicating with the school and communicating with the professor's oftentimes when I talk to universities and admissions office that's one thing that comes up a lot is how our students communicating the best way to get a response from a university professor or a department is to do your research if you have done your homework have done your research and you asking detailed questions rather than general questions which information could be available on the website or any other source that will elicit a response rather than you know you have to keep in mind a professor sees hundreds and hundreds of emails he has hundred so he or she has hundreds and hundreds of students and your of thousands of one of thousands of thousands of students that are sending in these emails so you should craft your email in a very enticing manner so that they know that you know what you're talking about you've done your research you've done your homework and you're asking a very specific question of how you can fit into their department or into their program so it's very important to build a rapport with the department and with the professor but also keep in mind to do your research and not asking them questions that's available at other places don't see your question Arthur yes thank you what what about you Sagar yeah I'm sorry from Aberdeen University I'm doing my BTech in computer science my first question is regarding the search papers I've done a research paper what if it is not published but accepted from the journal so is it worth mentioning in your statement of purpose you know a lot of times I feel like students are shy about talking about themselves in the u.s. we want to know everything about you you want to know every little thing that you did what makes you unique what makes you special it's not about how much of an honor you're saved or what's how many certificates you have it's about you as an individual what are you dreams what are your ambitions what are your interests what are your hobbies we're looking at you as a whole individual so even if you're doing independent research and it hasn't been picked up a publication hasn't been published it's okay the fact that you have taken the initiative to do that research it's a field that you're so interested in that's a huge strength in your application so keep in mind to talk about it even if in a lot of students say oh yes I play the piano I'm not very good I just do my own things talk about it you want to know that you are creative that you enjoy playing the piano oh yes I you know I dabble in programming and doing little programs and writing up apps should I mention that absolutely you should mention that universities would love to know about things like that so don't feel like you need to leave things out include whatever you feel will emphasize and give a better image a picture of who you are they're not gonna get a chance to meet you face to face they won't get to know what fabulous students you are what a fabulous individual you are our advisors do when you meet them individually and you meet them at groups they get to know you and they'll push for you they love you but admissions officers don't know you that way so this is a good time your application package just talk about everything that you do and everything that you are so you can put your complete picture and image towards that University representative Renuka yeah absolutely I think your shirt has already answered that yes you please please send your your paper and let them know that it's under review I mean that you've already reached the review process that means that it's already you know quite something if it has reached that level good luck with that Sagar we had a few more questions yeah one more question are mr. Obama said in one and in one speak that Indians and Chinese are out educating American students in science and technology so I was curious turn of that or is it an motivation speech for American students or it is an indication for us too that there is a stringent policy coming first of all congratulations president Obama recognizes that you are outdoing others in the technology field that's great and I think it President Obama is also was taken a great initiative to extend the opt to include STEM subjects students studying in the STEM fields to stay that additional extra 27 and 17 months right to 17 months in addition to the 12 months already so international students are always welcome to US universities and US wants more of you and given the opportunities available I think Indian students will find a perfect fit at any institution at any point in time submit you have a few questions for a Stratton radio car yeah hi I'm sue me I'm an engineer plus an MBA around three and a half years of work experience I am looking for a PhD in management in the fields of human resource management so I have a question first question around how much does corporate work experience help in a research based course like a PhD it helps a great deal I would say again coming back to what we mentioned earlier everything that you can share about yourself every experience that you have you can bring to the table will only enhance your education experience when you get to a u.s. classroom absolutely especially in a field like management I would like I would like to add a word of caution here though work experience is not a substitute for theoretical knowledge so don't don't expect that your work experience will you know kind of suck me a substitute also by the time you're thinking of a PhD you should have a very clear idea about what you're going to be doing your research on so you should have a rough idea of what kind of research are going to do or what area it's going to be in and that will naturally lead you to the kind of professors you want to work with as well as the universities you want to apply to okay so does that answer your question yeah do you have any more questions yeah another question around does we really need a research proposal before applying to the universities generally speaking at least a broad broad understanding of you know where you're going with this with this application for a PhD I mean see if you're if you're a bachelors level student applying directly into a ph.d program there is some flexibility but if you have already completed your master's degree and you're kind of applying directly into the PhD now it would mean that you have a pretty clear idea it's just a gets narrower exactly – adding on to what Renuka had mentioned it's just so when universities are looking at your application they can judge where would you best fit where which program are with which professor which program that they have already would you best fit so when you're at that level of doing PhDs and going for a master's in PhD the clear idea you have a better opportunity you have at the universities that you want to go to to find that perfect adjustment or perfect fit to work within the fields that you want to work in so it's a good idea to have a clear vision of what exactly you want to accomplish and to make it as to the point and clear as possible so for example you want to study City Planning do you want to do City Planning as far as roads are concerned or as far as architecture is concerned pick one vias focus because at this point in time you have to be absolutely focused on what exactly you are planning to do with that degree and in that area of study any more questions no okay Kathi oniony I hope I got that pronunciation right what about you do you have any questions yeah I was wondering how necessary is it to give the TOEFL the Test of English as the foreign language because I mean English is my first language I speak English better than any other language I've studied in an English school over my life and I mean I do I really need to give the TOEFL because it is quite expensive so I just need yeah you know as far as giving the TOEFL test goes it depends on universities some universities actually waive the TOEFL if they if you have a really high score on the verbal section of your SATs some universities insist that you take the TOEFL test so you really have to look at the university website and see if it is necessary or not if the university says no there's no need then you don't need to go and take it and that's what the to any point in time is talked to the admissions office International Students office at the University of planning to apply this is part of your research when you're planning to apply to university you have to do that 1518 months ahead of time you have to do that research and that's part of it what are the required tests I need to absolutely need to take to get admission what are some things that are optional and the REC when you co mention not all universities are going to absolutely require you to take a TOEFL or IELTS you can take the TOEFL or an IELTS test or a Pte test and just find out if which one's the best option for you and if you don't need to take it you don't need to but if you do have to take it unfortunately you're going to have to you had another question about early decisions yeah I want you to know that if you apply early decision to a university and they defer you to the Regular Decision are you released from the IDI agreement or are you still bound by it your release your freedom is going to apply anywhere you want because the early decision is binding so long as it is within that I mean the early decision simply means that if you're accepted at that school and you go to that school if not you're you're free to go anywhere I think you also had further question about the early decision that if you are accepted under early decision but your financial needs are not met are you released from the IDI agreement right Katyayani that was your question yeah yeah so the thing is that if you're accepted under valid decision they almost invariably meet your requirement so the two go together the decision to admit you know and the financial aid go together so then if they don't accept you and they defer you to the to the regular pool then again you know you'll have to apply you'll have to sort of see what kind of a package you're being given because then it's not an early decision it's the regular decision and just remind everyone that when it's early decision you usually just picking that one University as an early decision pick if you don't get in there if it's not working out then you're open and free to apply anywhere and that it that's actually a lot of universities in are saying that applies internationally as well so keep in mind that one University if you're applying there you do have to let them know all the institutions you're applying to and also you would have to turn down other acceptances if you got accepted to your early decision thank you so much Akshay also had a question on Regular Decision yeah yeah my question was either if I'm having regular to a college is it better to die as early as possible or it doesn't make a difference if I plan to the deadline um be prepared you are there about eight I would say more than seven hundred thousand international students in the US so if you're planning to apply to u.s. the earlier you can get your application in the better it looks to an admissions officer it just looks like you are well organized you've done your research and you're ready and you're very interested in eager to be at that University sometimes the ones that apply later on or may be applying they get it's maybe you're applying that because that's one of your safe choices or it's later on so if if you have some dream schools and some matching schools and you know these are your choices this is where you want to go always always always applying as soon as the doors open to accept applications you should be ready to send out those applications early in the door is always the best decision it's just like if you arrive at a meeting you don't want to arrive just at that last second you want to arrive at least a few minutes early so you're prepared and you're ready and you have everything you need to deal with so keep that in mind as early as possible as soon as the doors open you should be out the door with the application link any more questions okay like I said whether college is the right fit for me or not what criteria should I consider when deciding if this is the college for me or not well there are several different criterias what are your interests what do you want to do can I ask you a question what would you like like engineering what would you like to do and your feature with electrical engineering I want to start an end by just nailing something all right so when you're looking at criterias of which universities you want to go to you'd be looking at which universities offer exactly what you're looking for the sound and technology engineering that you're looking for and that will automatically narrow down your field other things to consider is your budget that's one of the first things I usually tell students to consider is the budget how much can you afford how much can you and your family afford to study and that will narrow down your choices and separate out which ones are your matching and which ones are your safety versus which ones are your dream schools your reach schools other things to consider where do you want to go which state do you want to live in do you want to be at a school that has a smaller population where you're of one of ten students in a classroom getting one-on-one attention from a professor or do would you rather be in a larger space where you're one of hundreds of students but you still get that access to laboratories and things that you need so that's another criteria do I have access to research facilities and laboratories to work on things that you want to work on at the undergraduate level finances has done your personal interest your subjects location what state you wanna live in you know u.s. is pretty big and just like in any other states that are very very cold during winter and very very warm during summertime and there are some states that are very cold and snowing something which a major part of the year so it's important to think about we don't always think about that but it is important to think about that because your mental and emotional well-being is just as important as your academic well-being so think about where it is as far as location wise size is it what else are we missing yeah I wanna just add one more thing and that is that you know US universities are so very helpful they often publish the the profile of the accepted students of the current accepted students for instance what GPA what kind of standardized test scores they had and so on and those are good indicators of where you would make a good fit so once you've taken your tests and you have your own profile you can try and do a kind of a matchmaking you know a match to see if you're a good match so take the time to go and you know you need to learn how to navigate us University websites but there is there they're filled with all kinds of very very useful information and also to look at how many international students the university is currently catering to that's a good indicator of you know how well they can provide services for international students it can be a large number which can be a good thing it can be a small number which can have also a positive meaning meaning they have more spaces available for international students maybe there's a large Indian population versus a smaller inter population of international students and that can have its advantages too so think about all those different criterias and like I said earlier research is key you have to spend time and make your own personal profile what are your needs what are your cost what are your test scores your mock test scores and use those as markers and indications to make a spreadsheet I usually ask students to make a spreadsheet and just list down where am i and then look at go back to that spreadsheet and say these are the ones that are my best fit if I would like to add it's much more than academics because I myself have an overseas degree so I think you know it's going abroad to study and every student will have a different reason but one thing is it's as transforms your lives so you have to look at the extracurricular also the universities in the US have a lot of other facilities be it you know literary or beat sports a beat cultural so I think you need to look into that there's extracurriculars also very important so if you all have certain interests and you know I can see if you know it matches the rain you can I should have pointed out the websites have all the information or you can actually get in touch with the admission officers and ask them yourself okay important I mentioned thanks so much for me and India I think you're the only one left and hope you're not feeling very left out one of the questions I want to ask you is about how would I be compared on the context because apart from the standardized scores schools we're applying probably different the courses we're applying form will be different the GPS clear they're going to be a hundred scale the difference from 100 point scale to attend through four so how would I be compared amongst the pool of people that apply to a particular fungus you know you'll be surprised at at the degree of specialization among admission officers in in American universities and colleges they have India specialists who know your school inside out who know who even know you know the names of your counselors they go to great lengths to understand your community and your school system and the country that you're coming from so you can be sure that your application is going to be given is going to be looked at from different angles and they you know most you most of the US universities and colleges have have had decades of experience of recruiting international students as you probably have have encountered some of them yourself many of them travel widely across the country they're not just coming to recruit students but they're coming to understand the Indian education system so it can be sure that your application is going to be in safe hands in hands that are going to be very interested in knowing about you as a student as a person your dreams your aspirations and so on so you're going to be well you're going to be measured on the same scales as as any other student I mean international students are no different you take the same tests so they're also going to be seeing what kind of value you will bring as as an international student to the student community so emphasize that play up that and showcase your your special talents and your special what makes you special university admissions officers take a lot of time invest in many many many weeks going through every single application so each one is looked at each one is judged on its own merits they have comparison skills absolutely there can be pile a pile be pile see us University is neat will include students from all ranges so there will be students that have low GPA it's all the way to the high GPAs because US universities value individuality the value who you are as a person just because you have high GPA doesn't be for if you have a low GPA doesn't mean you can bring something valuable to their student body to the campus to the classrooms and if you have a high GPA you are bringing additional knowledge and bringing your enthusiasm for academics so they're looking at the entire range and they will be choosing students that fit within all of that so every student is looked at individually and based on how you're presenting your application your how well you have presented yourself so again we go back to making sure you talk about yourself really well write those essays and make sure it really is portraying who you are and what kind of assets and individuality your interests and everything that you're bringing in to that campus any more questions honey oh yeah no question oh you would open our core programs a while back I'd like to know the significance of core programs with respect to an academic degree I mean what would our corporate experience hold importance for if you're searching for a career in academies well the core programs typically give you industry experience so if you're looking to enter academia I would suggest that you try and work with a professor instead in the you know in the during the summers and whenever you have extra time because that is a better preparation if you are planning to go into academia and to go into teaching positions and so on but if you are planning to enter the corporate world the world of industry and so on it's better that you get co-op experience do you all have any more questions for Renuka instra okay that's nice to know that all the questions have been answered thank you so much for you kinda shot and it was very very useful it was a quite a learning experience for me as well and I think you're a made it very clear there's a lot of variety but one size does not fit all every student has individual requirements and you have to be very careful that you'll make sure that it fits the requirements you have to do a lot of planning it's very research intensive and also the timelines are important but in the end of it it's worth it it's worth the effort when you actually get the University and the course of your choice and the experience that goes with it so we wish you all of y'all all the best and I'm sure that you all will do well and you will get the the right fit to all your requirements Thank You Melanie it's a pleasure to have spoken with you and having done this with education times from Times of India I just want to say I am a product of a u.s. education I went to a liberal arts school and received a degree in political science and I also did a lot of internships within my community within my around my area and the state that I lived in that opened a lot of doors for me that opened the type of experiences that I brought to a job that I wanted to do was so varied because a liberal arts education gave me a well-rounded education I was able to work in finance I was able to work in Communication and Media and now I am here because I really do believe my personal view that u.s. is the best education because it does provide the well-roundedness it does give you give you a feeling of being connected globally to the world and brings the skills that you need into the workplace and I want to share that personally out to all international students so they also have that opportunity to come to the u.s. and get that experience and take that away from studying in the US and bring it back to their homelands bring it back to their own countries and develop those ideas and put those ideas into place so again I thank all of you for being here with us today it was lovely talking to all of you and before I leave I just want to make a few announcements for education USA education USA has an app a lot of you have smartphones now and Android phones we have an app you can go to our website at www.att.com/biz USA's Center all our centers provide free seminars to give you information on us application process there are lots of sources you get information from from family from friends from uh you know your teachers from schools that's wonderful but come and check with us at some point in time as well because we will give you all the current accurate and up-to-date information comprehensive information on what is happening now in the u.s. application process for universities and colleges so come check it out come check visit any of our webinars we have for International Education Week the u.s. and India continue to have that strong educational ties we're starting in November 11th International Education Week where during that time we are doing 30 webinars in 3 days by education USA so if it's regionally around the globe we're doing this so any point in time you should be able to log on and visit one of our advisors and talk to our advisors and listen in to the webinars we're also initiating and that's going to be happening November 12 14 and 15 if you go to our website you should be able to find it or through an educational advising Center we also have college week live international student day which is a virtual College fair so University representatives are going to be having Boots online so you can talk to them face to face and live chats and get the information you're looking for and I always recommend any fair you go to talk to every single representative they're all giving out valuable valuable tips on how to make strengthen your application process and to make your application stand out so go talk to any rep you can anytime so that you can get all the information you need to strengthen your application so College make life virtual college fair is going to be happening on November 13th and the 30-30 webinars on five steps of us study is going to be happening November 12 14 and 15 so try and check those things out and check out our website and find the closest center near you this is not the end of the discussion so if you have any questions which you will have as they mentioned there are a lot they have the website they have the Centers you can go and meet one of the counselors and is there any email address you'd like to share yeah I'd like to share a couple of things one is like us on Facebook like us on Facebook and you it's like it's like a magic key it opens up and a whole world of opportunities you'll keep getting a whole lot of updates about what's happening with EDSA in India and we have a toll-free help desk that's working from Monday through Friday 2:00 to 5:00 p.m. the number is easy 1-800 one zero three one two three one let me repeat that 1-800 one zero three one two three one Monday through Friday 2:00 to 5:00 p.m. a band of dedicated EDSA advisors are at are waiting to answer your questions our own website education USA dot state or govt as Ishaaq mentioned as well as the US India Education Foundation website that is www.binaryoptionsgain.com education x comm there's a counselor forum and also we carry a lot of news articles which will guide you in your search for the right College thank you for being with us bye

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